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Post by sunfrog on Dec 12, 2012 21:57:00 GMT -5
Why is it a fishpond and not a frog pond? Are they the frogs? You need a diploma because you are a minority now Pea. No one wants to hire a white Briton unless they know they can do the job.
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Post by PigsnieLite on Dec 12, 2012 23:00:03 GMT -5
Ughhhh, diplomys are overrated.
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Post by Avril on Dec 13, 2012 15:17:00 GMT -5
Why do self-educated people still need diplomas to get a job? I think it sucks. Actually, it used to prove people can stick at something until it's achieved. Nowadays you can just buy diplomas and degrees off the Internet.
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Post by PigsnieLite on Dec 13, 2012 18:44:17 GMT -5
And look at all the illiterate maroons in your class who will get a diploma anyway. Or will you put an addendum to the bottom of their certificate, "Call Professor Avrilla for Warning about this So-Called Graduate."
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Post by Avril on Dec 14, 2012 16:02:36 GMT -5
Well, I have an educator friend who spells her own name three different ways in an email and uses random punctuation. She was educated in Canada. She's creative, but I suspect she just doesn't notice or care, really.
She marks on content, not presentation. Her most frequent comments on an essay are, 'Boring!' and 'repetitive.'
In the past when I've failed studes for below standard work, they've made use of their right to a re-mark. One essay I failed was given a high distinction through this loophole. Don't ask me what was happening there. The student plagiarised, waffled and didn't answer the question.
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Post by PigsnieLite on Dec 14, 2012 18:36:50 GMT -5
The internuts haf made everyone plagiarists. One of Pigsnits old Greek papers wuz plagiarised 12 times! Why doesnt anyone plagiarise me? Whut meaneth lousy presentation? Run-on sentences, non-existent punctuation, lacko footnotes?
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Post by Avril on Dec 14, 2012 21:12:53 GMT -5
Here's the rubric: (Our college) has a preferred presentation style for all essays of Times New Roman font, 12 point, double spaced, left aligned, the first word of every paragraph indented and no spaces between paragraphs. There should be a running header with the student's name and the subject, and the page number. These elements should be consistent throughout the essay.
In this preferred format, an academic essay should be written entirely in the third person; have no numbered or bullet points, and no headings except for the reference list at the end. A personal reflection can be written in the first and third person and no headings or bulleted /numbered points. A case study or report should be in third person and can include point form and section headings.
Reference lists should not be numbered or bulleted, and are formatted with a hanging indent under the first line. Titles of books and journals are italicised; the place of publication is the second last listing before the publisher, followed by a colon; no page numbers in a Reference List save for journal articles or edited collections. Page numbers should be included in-text where there is a direct quote or reference to a distinct idea, following the author's surname and the date of the work. In a reference list, book titles only should be be included, and chapter headings omitted. Only citing authors and not work cited within another text should be listed; these should be detailed in-text. Make sure only texts referred to in the essay are included in a reference list, and equally that all texts referred to in the essay are listed in full at the end. (Please see the Academic Skills Guide: http://currentstudents....)When I am marking scores of essays in a white heat to get to the two week turn-around deadline, it makes a surprising difference to the speed and ease of marking if all the essays are formatted and presented in the same way. It means I can focus attention on the content and not on whether the argument flows logically when a student gives a series of one line paragraphs, or random punctuation makes the meaning unclear, and I have to read the sentence four or five times to work it out. Apart from that we are attempting to teach good academic practice. In students' emails and postings online in the unit discussion forum, I don't care at all about typos or if they are not very literate. In an essay, if I have to spend three or four times as long correcting referencing, grammar, spelling and appalling syntax, I get annoyed and, as I am human, this reflects on their final mark and grade. No matter how brilliant they are, if they arrogantly think they don't need to comply to the preferred presentation style, or if they don't know how to express themselves clearly, they will not do as well in my class as if they take care. Do you want your educator to feel like this as they mark your essay?
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Post by Avril on Dec 14, 2012 21:18:24 GMT -5
Oh, and on plagiarism, all our essays are processed through similarity software. We use a program called Turnitin, which checks similarity to anything else on the Internet and hopefully flags plagiarism. A similarity of 10% to 15% is deemed okay, since most of that will be the reference list or direct quotes.
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Post by PigsnieLite on Dec 15, 2012 2:18:11 GMT -5
Pops says he worked wid similar Rubiks Cube, but then he has been retired for a while and wuz not so exacting in his requirements (ie. Times New Roman, 12 point, etceters.) Surprisingly, he does not care for bullet points. He will not mark up the papers for spelling and sech, but he will write something unpleasant in thick red felt marker in the margins, if he finds the grammar particularly appalling. Heh.
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Post by Avril on Dec 15, 2012 10:37:32 GMT -5
Heh, red felt marker! I haven't marked a paper in hard copy for years. All our marking is done through Track Changes in Word.
I'm not nearly as pedantic as the copy editors and line editors I've had for my books, but they have a particular publishing house style sheet to comply with, which interestingly seems to change each time.
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Post by PigsnieLite on Dec 15, 2012 11:48:54 GMT -5
Well, my da is not terribly computery. To this day, he does not email and he only looks at computers when I want him to see an amusing forum post or youtube. If he wants to order online, he'll go to the store. heh. Hodderwise, its all hard copy ... thats why our house is exploding wid newspapers, magazines & books.
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