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Post by PigsnieLite on Sept 29, 2011 23:06:02 GMT -5
Michael Jackson. WHO CARES? Bleech.
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Post by dragrat on Sept 30, 2011 2:24:52 GMT -5
;D Obviously a lot of people do care...
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Post by Avril on Sept 30, 2011 5:50:41 GMT -5
Hmmm, Michael Jackson, and why he is an example of 'mauvaise foi' (bad faith) and inauthenticity...
In my Existential Counselling class I was talking about existential 'givens' - meaning things about life we have to accept because we cannot change them. These include universal 'givens' such as birth and death, but there are also 'givens of circumstance' such as our skin colour and height, the family we are born into, our genetic inheritance, the country and culture in which we grew up, its laws, language, values, religion and traditions. These 'givens' create anxiety, or existential angst.
We cannot change them, but there is one thing we can affect, and that is our attitude to these givens. Acceptance alleviates anxiety. We can remain authentic by courageously accepting these unpleasant truths and living life responsibly, exercising our freedom to choose in our attitude to life's givens.
Avoidance through denial, drug use or other addictions merely delays anxiety and makes it potent through unawareness. Authenticity recedes and inevitably self-esteem plummets.
In not accepting the colour of his skin, in going to such lengths to change his appearance, and in his apparent significant drug abuse, Michael Jackson demonstrated the ultimate in avoidance of responsibility and 'mauvaise foi'.
But I still kinda feel sorry for him. He was soooooo misguided.
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Post by PigsnieLite on Sept 30, 2011 9:31:28 GMT -5
Misguided? WHy wuz he misguided? WHo misguided him? I think people should admit that it was Michael Jacksons RESPONSIBLITY for all the crap that happened in his life. ANd his family was responsible too. But these were Michaels choices in the end. He's been dead for years and they still treat him like a baby! Bleech.
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Post by Avril on Sept 30, 2011 18:56:33 GMT -5
Sure, he was responsible for what he chose. He allowed himself to be misguided.
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Post by PigsnieLite on Sept 30, 2011 19:24:52 GMT -5
Whut? He allowed hisself to be misguided? How does that work? If I killed 10 babies, did I allow myself to be misguided by some evool unknown into killing babies? Eck.
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Post by Avril on Oct 1, 2011 15:33:18 GMT -5
Who deludes us when we willingly prefer a fantasy or a denial to the truth - everyone!
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Post by PigsnieLite on Oct 1, 2011 16:31:55 GMT -5
[PLite scratchez his head in puzzolment.]
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Post by Avril on Oct 1, 2011 17:00:25 GMT -5
(Avril explains) We are responsible for our actions and their consequences, whether we take responsibility or not. If we blame others or if we try to deny the truth of a situation, we're not taking responsibility. Denial leads to our being willingly deluded by our own aversion and other people's opinions, and leads to more avoidance in an endless vicious cycle.
It seems to me Michael Jackson wanted to believe he had some fantastical ability (NeverNeverland is a big clue) to change what he didn't like about himself. He was able to change the colour of his skin and his appearance by plastic surgery but avoided the inner level work which would have allowed him to accept these things and make the most of them anyway. There's deep avoidance and narcissism there, augmented by drug use and other indications of a preference for a magic wand over self-acceptance and genuine self esteem.
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Post by PigsnieLite on Oct 1, 2011 18:20:10 GMT -5
Oh. I think I understand.
So should that doctor be on trial for negligence?
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Post by Avril on Oct 1, 2011 18:45:09 GMT -5
I think the doctor probably wanted to help him, but by all accounts MJ was often demanding, childish and unreasonable, and already on a cocktail of prescription drugs. And despite that, he couldn't sleep, which causes a particular kind of frantic anxiety. So it would have been all but impossible to treat him as you would a reasonable person.
Whether that situation was compromised by a fat fee the doctor was receiving is another matter. If so, then negligence is a possibility that needs an answer. I don't know how the doc would avoid that implication, though.
I think in that situation I would have referred MJ to another doc before this event. If it is impossible to do your job responsibly, and there is a risk someone else's irresponsibility could bring you down, you have a responsibility to yourself to avoid that trap as far as possible.
So, short answer is, yes. The doctor should be on trial for negligence.
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Post by PigsnieLite on Oct 1, 2011 19:36:47 GMT -5
Whut Id like to know is why the doctor didnt call 911 instantly. He actually called the security guard first. That was not good.
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Post by Avril on Oct 1, 2011 19:42:16 GMT -5
People do strange and irresponsible things when they are scared.
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Post by PigsnieLite on Oct 1, 2011 19:51:42 GMT -5
He wuz Dumb! DUMB I say! Anyhoo, Im just tired of the entire Jackson family. I mean I saw one of them walking into the court room wid a gigantic single rose! Huh? Why? so she doesnt have to smell the weirdos outside the building?
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Post by dragrat on Oct 2, 2011 6:15:58 GMT -5
Sounds like your tired of the whole thing & yet your driven by your curiosity to understand human behaviour. I would think there are plenty of other people in the world who experience similar events, just not played out on the media chess board.
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